How does Face ID work? Apple lets us know (Apple Byte Extra Crunchy, Ep. 103)

[MUSIC] Good morning and good afternoon, everyone. My name is Stephen Beacham and you are watching The Apple Byte Extra Crunchy Podcast with your hosts Mr. Brian Tong. What's up, everybody? I see you, I see you, I hear you. Welcome to the show. It's episode 103 Apple Byte Extra Crunchy. You know we keep it extra. Munchy. [SOUND] You guys and gals, yeah, crunch that, crunch that beat. That was weird, that sounded weird. [LAUGH] That was gross, yeah. It was gross. [LAUGH] I heard what it sounds like when you eat now, just, thanks, man. [LAUGH] That was pretend eating. [LAUGH] Pret-eating, pret-eating? Something like that. [LAUGH] All right, okay, everybody, guys and gals, you make this show what it is. Call us, 1-800 616 2638. Your name. Where you're from. The point you want to make, or the question you have. Again, tons of calls coming to the show. And we just appreciate you guys and gal, because you make the show pop. Right, Beach? Come on. We got to show them love. Yeah. That's the best part of the show, is hearing from people. It is the best part of the show. And it's hearing, also, the voice mails that we don't play for you, because They're that bad. Man. I should make a podcast just about that. Yeah. Just a collection of horrible voicemails. [LAUGHTER] Horrible. All right. Well, let's get to the show, guys and gals. This is really the week after all of the reviews and all of the releases of the products. And a lot of things has happened But the first story that we're gonna kinda take off with, because we want to keep up to date, and we'll jump around and get to the stuff like the Apple Watcher View and all this iOS 11 battery life stuff. That's kinda going crazy to me. But first up, Apple has acquired a small French company. This just dropped. Called Regaind, not Rogaine, but Regaind. Regaind, spelled weird. Yeah, R-E-G-A-I-N-D. Now they focus on an artificial intelligence company that's focused on photo and facial analysis. This is according to Tech Crunch. Apple did confirm it by basically saying. End quote Apples buy smaller technology companies from time to time and we generally do not discuss our purpose or plans. Now what makes regain interesting and special is we know in case you haven't kind of played around with Apple's photos app. You can type in the word like in the search bar at the top. You can type in like dog. You can type in sunset, and it does have some ability to analyze photos and show you those types of photos on the spot. But what regain does is takes it to the next level. And they've developed a computer vision API that can actually extract what they call Game-changing insights. So what do I mean by that? Well, for example, you might not, instead of saying a dog or a sailboat or a lion, it's finding the specific one. Whether it's based on color, even specific types of boats. What I thought was really cool is it can actually detect Faces, duh. But it can actually sort them by their emotion like happy, sad, maybe neutral or. So it's kind of taking this, not only do you have facial recognition of people, now we can start talking about. What their expressions actually are. So it's getting even deeper and this could have some really cool implications because, you know, they talk about how can I identify gender and age and emotion. I'm not sure exactly what age meaning young or old. Hmm. Yeah. That's interesting. But this, these APIs and this technology that they have could also, unfortunately be applied to aniemjois. [LAUGH] Or let's think bigger and think about just facial, the front facing camera hopefully there's some more things that can be done with it beyond And emojis. So can I be like, find me a picture of my dog chasing a bird or something like that, and it'll be able to find a dog chasing a bird? Like I'm seeing a picture right here, there's a- [UNKNOWN]. There's some animal, I think it's an antelope or something. That's a gazelle.. A gazelle, yeah. Gazelle. And it looks like it's running by some zebra or something so You could maybe get very granular and ask questions like that, cuz I know Google does this. And I can search the beach, and like Google Photos, and then it'll show me all the pictures I took of my family at a beach, and probably like a park or something. So This is a little more. I think this is really cool. Yeah, it is cool. And, the other place where this can come in handy. I don't know how many of you guys and gals all use this, but I use memories like way more than I ever thought I would. That feature where they like mish mash a bunch of pictures and photos from a trip or an event.. Man, and I'll like, I'm sorry like I'll keep it real with you. Sometimes I'm looking at that stuff and I'm getting a little, I'm getting a little emo, I'm getting all up in my feelings when I look at that stuff. I don't know about you but. Yeah. It happens. That happened to me. It made one for my son. Which is crazy. Google Photos made one for my son. So it's like pictures of him growing up since he was a little baby. No. Yeah, and it got me and I was watching it, but it's totally funny because the algorithm is still a little f'd up. Because I shot this gangster rap video last year. And it keeps appearing in there. So it's be kid- pictures of my kid at the park and riding his bike and all of a sudden it'd be these two dudes are doing gangster rap Really rapping. rapping in the camera. For a second. No, you showed me that. Yeah, yeah. I showed you. They did it again. Just like when the last week or so. It made another video. Here is the thing though You need a check, you need a check if the memories [LAUGH] If the memories video that you made, it could have actually been from a specific point in time and not. Like your songs might be in a lot but it could say memory. [UNKNOWN] from the third week of July, And, that just happens to be in there. That's why it might be in there. Could be. Could be. Yeah, you're right. Just saying. So- Yeah, but it's fun. Okay, anyways. Yeah. So, it's cool though. I really like this. This is one of those small acquisitions we won't see, but I just pray. I pray so hard that they do more than emojis with this acquisition of regained. I'm just gonna put my hands together and just be like, come on don't [UNKNOWN] kill me with this, all right? So that's really cool. Another story that dropped early this week, pretty much, I think, just a day ago or so. The FCC getting pressure from the National Association of Broadcasters Is asking, and not only asking, urging Apple to protect that safety of Americans by activating the FM radio chip in iPhones. Now this is I think I'm for that. I think I am for that. I am totally for that, here's the thing. According to Apple, based on the chips they are using, they are saying this is a quote and a response from Apple. Apple cares deeply about the safety of our users, especially during times of crisis and that's why we have engineered modern safety solutions into our products. Users can dial emergency services and access medical ID card information directly from the lock screen. And we enable government emergency notifications, ranging from weather advisories to amber alerts, etc, etc. iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 models do not have FM radio chips in them, nor do they have antennas designed to support FM signals. So it's not possible to enable FM reception in this products. That is from Apple. We know right. FM radio, that is an important way of communication and disseminating information because there's gonna be a time when these cell towers, they're not gonna be working. We know that in Houston, they kept them up and running which was incredible. And amazing, right? That was really the link that most people had. But again, you can't expect that in all different kinds of countries, different types of situations where technology is not in place, that is not nearly as advanced, or the system just gets completely knocked out and FM radio, old school tech, still matters. Yeah, like they could definitely use that in Puerto Rico right now, who has no communication and I don't think they have any electricity or anything. But yeah, we've also been told to buy those wind-up radios, you know. Yeah. And I have a wind-up radio, but it would be awesome if I had my iPhone and I can just listen on my iPhone too. Use like solar power or something during a natural disaster. But that's a bummer that they can't just activate them. Let me take everyone back because instantly when I heard FM radio, and Apple saying that they couldn't do it, it reminded me of a little ditty from back in the day called the iPod Nano. Now if you remember, the iPod Nano, at least the sixth gen. I'm not sure if the fifth gen could do it. It was a little square, right? You could clip it on. It had a little screen. The thing about this product is that you could listen to FM radio on the iPod nano. And, let me tell you how and why you could do that. When you plug the headphone into the headphone jack The headphone acted as the FM radio antenna. That's genius. That is awesome. What phones do not have a headphone jack that could support an antenna in the headphones? The iPhone 7 and iPhone 8. [LAUGH] And upcoming iPhone 10. So all I'm saying'. Other companies are making great phones. I'm not poo pooing on Apple right now. Everyone knows this. People that listen to this know we all are coming from the same perspective. We love Apple. We love technology. But other companies are also doing things. Samsung has a headphone jack In a all screen, OLED curved display. That is also IP 68 rated so it can go underwater, has better water protection than Apple. It has a headphone jack in there, and they could support FM radio because they could plug that headphone in and use the wire of the headphone as the antenna. That's ingenious. So does Andriod do that now? I really don't know. Off the top of my head I don't know. But I believe. I feel like at least with the S6 and S7 they had an F.M. radio app. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say yes. But people that can correct this right now whether they're in the chat or not Can tell us no, but I just found that really funny how Apple says, yeah we don't have any way to support an FM antenna. [LAUGH] It's cuz you don't have a headphone port, son! That's really smart that they figured that out, man. That's funny. So there you go. The request, the request is in, bring back the headphone port. [LAUGH] We have a legit need for it now, big time. From the FCC. All right, as we talk about iPhone stuff, a lot of issues have started to pop up. We're gonna talk about some of these issues just to educate you all and just let you know what is going on.The first one is specific to the iPhone 8 and the 8 plus. Reports first started coming out of the verge that said There's a static noise issue that is affecting iPhone 8's and 8 Plus's specifically in the ear piece. And Apple has confirmed that is true when you are on the calls, you might get this snarly, nasty static sound on your iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus. They are working on a software fix. It is not Part of the latest updates that have been released, but it is there. It is a known issues that they're working a fix on. And this is the other thing when we talk about IOS 11, a report recently came out that the adoption rate with IOS 11 is really advanced. It typically is. People that are Apple fans want to adopt it and just bring it on, no matter what version of the phone you have. And we got a lot of call from this and I wanted to kind of answer it within the show of when is a good time to update your phone or what's the The right time. Now the IOS 11 up to this point, and I think it has updated, but the last time analytics were collected by Mix Panel it was around 25% of the user base of all IOS devices had updated to IOS 11. That seems small man, one week after. No, dude. If you talk about Android because there's so fragmented they'll be under, they'll be less than 1%. I see. Yeah. Because people are like really far back versions.>> So, I just clicked on a link. The latest mixed panel Update says it's at 28.55% of iOS users are on iOS 11, but that also comes with its caveats, with its issues and problems. The biggest issue everyone is talking about, it's what we want to talk about, is battery life issues with your phone. So people, once they put on iOS 11 they were happy, and I recall this happening, honestly, a little bit in iOS 10, where When you first installed iOS 10, battery life was really cruddy and what was happening it was optimizing your phone and your iOS behind the scenes. But what we found is, it's actually lasted longer than a few days and a lot of people that have iPhone 6's, iPhone 6 S's And some iPhone 7's. But you don't hear it as much from iPhone 7's. Their battery life is literally going to crap. Now our security. When I say crap I'm talking about you could drop your battery within just a few hours more than 50%. Some crazy stuff like that is actually happening. And this is not an isolated few people. We put out the question out there on the recent apple bite video podcast, and everyone's saying ios 11 is killing my battery. Only a few people said it didn't. According to security research from Juan Derra, they analyze the performance of 50,000 moderate to heavy iPhone users on iPhone and iPad that were both using ios 10 and ios 11. Now, there's a Chart down there if you scroll down based on what they found and the results were not very glamorous or pretty at all. Devices on IOS level burn through power at a much faster rate than those running IOS 10 taking an estimated, this is with use. 96 minutes used to drain a full battery. This is like actively using it. With iOS 11 versus 240 minutes for iOS 10. Wow, man. That's a big deal. I've literally had people say I've been using my phone and it dropped from 100 to like 40 percent in a few hours. I was using my phone Last night, and I dropped from 26% to like 5%. It felt like in 45 minutes to an hour. I'm like that's extreme. That's, that's really extreme. So Apple did release a little update, iOS 10, sorry, excuse me, iOS 11.0.1. That was to address a Microsoft exchange server error with emails. It hasn't addressed the actual battery life issues. They've released a public beta for both iOS 11, Mac Kyocera 10.13.1 and TV OS 11.1, but I don't know if people are writing comments in YouTube and livestream, but A lot of people are still telling me they have major issues, especially with their 6 and 6S. Yeah, this makes me scared to update. I haven't updated mine yet, so I'm kinda gonna wait. Wait, don't. I don't think so should. Yeah, I'm not going to cuz I have the 6S. But I'm looking at the chat room. I'm not seeing a lot of activity right now. But- People can [UNKNOWN] It's just that on our video we posted everyone is coming out and saying. I think the thing that, and people had asked me this in the phone calls and we decided to kind of bundle it in here. This is kind of the best way to think about when you upgrade your operating system. And Apple has been merciless in doing this. In general, I really think the best, the only type of phones that should get the latest software update that typically helps it perform better in general, I'm saying. Is if you have a phone from the year before. So if you're an iPhone 7 user, I would say iOS 11 is an okay update. Now again, it's actually been very buggy and general. There's been a lot of display. Alignment issues with iOS 11, where sometimes the time and my signal just doesn't show up at the top. It literally, when I use Mail and when I'm using Messages, it's just completely white, and I'm like, what? And there's a lot of things that are out there that people are talking about how much more buggy it is in We sort of kind of see that in general, and I think it's just because there's so many devices out there and also Apple is just doing too many things. But if you have a phone that is two years or older compared to the ios released so let's say you're on a successor of six I honestly would not recommend upgrading into the new operating system because it is typically hammered the performance of those devices That aren't hardware-wise as well equipped and optimized to handle the newest stuff, and the new bells whistles that the latest iOS demands. I just don't think if you have a phone that's two years older or more you should really upgrade your phone in general, because you're not gonna get as good performance. You just aren't. I've done it before. It doesn't work as well. Yeah. We're starting to get a lot of comments in the chatroom now like Divine feelings says IOS 11 is really killing my battery. Daniel Bernard says yep, mine sucks now. And then Justin Loving says new operating system means bugs. They'll get it worked out. So I mean, you know, you've said, I've learned this from listening to you, Brian. You know, you usually wait like a week or so before you do the update. Yea. And that's what I did, I saw that there were already patch updates happening, so I was like, okay, they're fixing little things here and there. So I might still wait, like another week or two, before I update my phone. And then of course, [UNKNOWN] has all these videos, like Here's the changes you need to, here's setting changes you want to make right away, after you update. But that's, but that's [UNKNOWN] And they're usually helpful. Like little things. Yeah, they're helpful. But then you cripple aspects of the phone. Like okay, fine turn down your brightness. That's normal. [LAUGH] Yeah. When you tell the phone don't fetch for email as often I mean, if you're getting an email every second, that's gonna be an issue. And some people, there's in the mail settings, there's kind of a auto fetch, right? We love this. Every time an email gets sent and the server gets pinged, we know about it. It really shouldn't take up that much more battery if people leave the fetch feature on. It just shouldn't kill your battery where you literally lose 30, 40% in a few hours, like without, like really. Yeah, I've been hearing that, too. That sounds like a nightmare, man, you get in your commute and your phone's already dead almost. [LAUGH]. And then people get pressured and upset, and some people are like, wait, was it me, is my battery messed up, what's going on? That's why we have this lovely thing called the internet. Imagine the days where the internet didn't exist where you could post something and Try and find out if other people are having the same problem, right? Yeah, yeah. So, this is a real thing, and it's happening, and so, the classic thing is always, " if you have a phone that's two year old, and you update the latest IOS, it's going to hammer your battery," and you're like, "I need to get a new phone." And, voila, a new phone is out. Perfect timing. [LAUGH] It's like magic. It's magical. Perfect timing bro. [LAUGHTER] Alright, so. Just be aware of what's going on with that. Before we take a break we do wanna talk about a little bit of the iPhone X coming out. We talked about how it could be pretty hard to get. I think it's gonna be a lot harder than people think. The latest reports are talking about how preorders are going to exceed the actual demand. Or sorry preorder demand is going to exceed the actual quantity that's going to be available for the iPhone X. So let's talk about reports that are coming out of supply chain from multiple outlets. It started with the Nikkei Asian Review. Others picked up on it. DigiTimes, Wall Street Journal. But the DK Agent Review reports that yield rates, basically the percentage of components that meet Apple's quality requirements, is lower than expected for the 3D sensor part, that is part of the whole Truth depth sensor at the top of the iPhone X. So the 3D sensor is not being produced. There's not enough in quantity that are being produced. And what is happening is they're saying that they're basically producing complete phones somewhere less than 10,000 units per day. Now that might sound like a lot Wow, 10,000 phones, but in actuality that's not a number that Apple tries to hit when they're saying hey, we're in mass production. We know that preorders are starting October 27th, right? So we're about a month away. According to estimates based on this projection, Foxconn has roughly made 2 million iPhone Xs to date And they expect to hit 10 million in October. With 40 million total by the end of the year. Well a lot of projections of the pre-orders of the iPhone 10 based on people that held out and how many users are out there and ready to upgrade. They're expecting it to be 50. At least around 50 million pre-orders for the iPhone 10. So Wow. What does that mean? You might be on the preorder, but you're gonna get your phone sometime early in 2018. That is a major bummer, man. So, look, you wanna wait in line? You might have to wait in line, like, legitimately, a week. Just to get a chance to get that phone before anyone else. And I'm gonna cross my fingers and hope that I can get in that group in that first batch of online. But I bet you most of us are not. I could be wrong, but I bet you most of us are not. Yeah, and a lot of people are not gonna get the color that they want. They probably won't get the correct Of storage size that they want. Like I saw a lot of people settling for the wrong color on the last iPhone. So yeah. Rose gold. Rose gold. Rose gold. Everyone's like okay, I'll get space gray, whatever. Yeah it was the, it was the jet black or whatever. The piano black finish that everybody wanted. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got it. And I have a case on my phone and I never see it. [LAUGHTER] I literally never see it. Yeah me too. It deserves no purpose whatsoever. Just a couple other quick iPhone 10 tidbits. This was really cool. Apple released what they call a white paper document detailing Face ID specifically. And I think this really gives some good insight on how face ID works and how it's a little different than others. Here are some of the interesting parts of it. They outlined when face ID is disabled, first of all. So I'm gonna kinda go down the list. When it will not work, so here's, here we go. The device has been just turned on or restarted, so face ID is disabled, right. You have to enter in your passcode. The device hasn't been unlocked for more than 48 hours. It'll instantly prompt the passcode. The passcode hasn't been used to unlock the device the last six and a half days. And Face ID hasn't unlocked the phone in the last four hours. If the device has received a remote lock command using like iCloud, or after five unsuccessful attempts to match a face, it'll also lock you out. As well as initiating a power off emergency SOS by pressing and holding either volume button. Unfortunately, none of these conditions is what caused Craig Federighi's phone to hang up on the keynote. [LAUGH] I'm just kidding. Honestly, I think people walking by picking it up are the ones that screwed that one up, honestly. That's funny. I think that's what happened. I'm just digging in there. Some people are gonna be like, dude what the hell? Man, why you hate on Apple so much? I'm like It's a joke, chill. It's like chill out. These jokes. Hey so, has Apple done this before where they had to put out like a giant explanation of how their security works? Sometimes, I think that Face ID is so new and there's really a lot of questions around it that it's good to have an explainer There's the, I'll get into it after our break, but there's times where I would like certain things explained that Apple doesn't touch on the keynote, and then we have to figure it out, and find it out on our own. Like, I hate that crap. It's just, it's It's annoying. So here we go, we're also gonna, I'll talk about kind of how Apple also describes. We talked about, sorry, face ID and what causes it to lock you out, but here's kind of the technology of how it works. All right, so, to counter both digital and physical spoofs, meaning, to prevent Photos or masks from working. This was from Apple, the true depth camera ramdomizes the sequence of 2D images and depth map captures and projects a device specific random pattern Now a portion of the [UNKNOWN] neural engine with a secure enclave transforms this data into a mathematical representation and compares that to the face that is enrolled in the phone. This enrolled facial data itself is a mathematical representation of your face. Captured across variety of poses. They go on to dig in a little bit deeper, let ke just pull up the document really quickly about how we talked about okay, what if you are wearing a makeup, what if you changed your hairstyle. It will actually match your previous face, at least recognise that you have a new face.lets say if I shaved off my My goatee or I don't know if they can see my side burns. Let's say I shave off my eyebrows. It will at least actually match the previous image it has with a new image, be able to identify that that is your face and that there are some significant changes and then update it within their system when it looks at it. And then it'll take a picture and send it to regrained as eyebrowless photos. You'll be in the searchable regrain database. It does confirm that this works with hats, scarves, glasses, contact lenses, many sunglasses. Furthermore, it's designed to work indoors, outdoors, and even in total darkness. You know when you're saying it sends like, is it a throw away a code? Like you're saying it sends a specific code->>It's like some sort of pattern. There's must be some sort of authentication with that as well. They didn't They kind of it out and didn't dig into it deep enough and it's really interesting. And like people are saying, [INAUDIBLE], [INAUDIBLE] and the room was asking,really how we'd work with twins. I mean there's even still subtle differences between twins but I'm really curious how it actually works like with twins. Twins they definitely they look different as they age older but- Hey Scott you got to [INAUDIBLE] and we got to do a twins using face ID. I know some twins we can get in here. Seriously. I do yeah. I know some triplets but it would be hard to round them up because they're all over the country. But this kinda reminds me of Apple Pay where it sends a throwaway one time use code for when you're using your phone to buy, purchase something. It kinda sounds similar like they're using the same logic around that. I don't know. Does this sound familiar to you? I'm not sure, but I guess I don't understand, they didn't get into it, but what was that randomized pattern, that was built off your, does it project something on your face that aligns with what is in the system? Yes, but what exactly is that pattern that they referred to? I don't know, I really don't know. Yea, it's weird. But it gives, it sheds some light on what makes it really interesting and what makes it specific. So look again, no matter how cool that tech is, I think it's going to be a little slower than touch id, it just has to be, right now. But it'll be interesting. We'll see. It is the most intriguing part of the iPhone 10. And it's just gonna come down to day to day use and how it works out. Man. Okay. So, my friends, should we get to our lovely, sponsor? Let's do it. My friends, audible! In the house! Support todays, for the show comes from our friends at Audible. Audible content includes an unmatched selection of audio books. 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I don't want to get into it too deep, but I've been using this thing for My goodness. Non stop four or five days I've literally used the watch for three days without my phone at all to push it to the limits. I'll tell you, some of the things that I don't wanna tell everything that I talk about in the video, but the battery life on this Apple Watch is dope. I've been able to get through an entire day easily And a lot of these reviewers they we're just trying max down. They're like you won't really get through a day. Yeah, because you're trying to put it through the test. But I wanna use it in my daily life. I take phone calls on it. I text message back and fourth. I use it at the gym for an hour while listening to music. And from 9a.m. to 9p.m. I still had 22% of battery left on it. I was impressed. That's pretty good. I used. I use the crap out of it. Another day I had like 30% on it. It just depends on how much you actually use it. So that's one of the highlights. It's killer for workouts. But I think the biggest issues that, when we talked about Apple being transparent, or explaining some of these technologies in their documents. When they pitched the Apple Watch, they said, hey you're gonna be able to send and receive messages And we had found after going through it that, and asking Apple for official confirmations that, if you have your phone with you and you're next to the iPhone, I'm sorry, the Apple Watch, you're going to be able to get messages and SMS messages from non iPhone users. That makes sense, but if your phone is off and you're away from your phone, And your watch is connected to LTE, and LTE only. Not wi-fi or anything like that. Your apple watch can only accept iMessages. No none iPhone SMS messages can get to you on your Apple Watch that way. Which is... I have a lot of people that are on Apple hardware, but There's other people that do not have iPhones, and if you want to get a message from them, you won't. The other thing though to kind of work around that is, if you keep your phone on at home when you're away, you should be able to, and we've tested this, you'll be able to receive SMS messages and I messages. So ultimately just don't, just have your phone on whenever you're away. Wherever you go and it'll be okay. So just have it sitting out in a room. Does it have to be connected to wifi or anything like that? Yeah, you're phone has to be on really connected to the cellular network. That's cool. But it's It sounds silly but, it is really like, when I was working out and I was listening to music in my wireless headphones. And I was working and I was like pumping that iron bro, like pumping,like Sweating Sweat,but then you get a text message, you respond to it. You take a call while you're listening to like When everything is literally on your wrist and it does work for those moments, it's crazy man, it's like wow, I felt like although I can't use it for everything, I felt like it was it's legit in that way and if someone that's looking for that you're gonna be happy with it. The actual there's other cabby out there but I think it's It's not for everyone, but if you like to work out, and you like to be on the go, and you want to do that once in a while, it's pretty sweet. But most of the time, everyone has their phone with them, the thing that I miss the most by going all Apple Watch is that there are times where like, I don't have my camera on me, and my phone is my camera, and because it is It really makes the phone necessary to bring with you. If you care about social media or you're on Snapchat or Instagram Stories, or all that stuff, you want your camera with you. Well you can't move around with an Apple watch without a camera, so I think most people will just have their phone with them. And if that's the case, don't get an LTE Apple watch, just get a series 3 if you want to upgrade, or you'll be, honestly, more than happy with the apple watch series two and I think for a lot of people honestly, even if you have a series one unless you want the speed bump, which is great, and the Siri intractability with this awesome now. I've never been the biggest fan of Siri but it does work great on the Apple Watch series three because of the power. It allows you to do it natively on the device. It's worth the upgrade. So it's really truly a device that's not for everyone, and it never was in the first place, so it just depends on really what's your use case, but it's a good product, it's a good product. It is a bummer about the photos though. I mean, when you're out and about, you see stuff randomly you just want to take a picture. That's what I'm saying That's exactly saying. That is a bummer. Get that together. Yeah, give me that dope camera on there. Just get it. Get that perv camera on there. Put that on [INAUDIBLE] cam. All right. Let's just jump into the calls. I think we're just going to skip so many stories, because We just wanna crank through your calls cuz we don't wanna make this show too long. All right, right, right. [INAUDIBLE] Cool, cool. Yeah right, thank you guys for all calling. We had a lot of good voicemails. We had a lot of voicemails this week, but we narrowed it down to some of the highlights. So here we go. Hey, Beej, what's up Kong. It's me J Max from Brooklyn. Love this show, love everything you guys are doing. So check it. I just got home after getting Super Nintendo Classic. Waited about five hours in line. And after doing that, I'm thinking about the iPhone 10. With that said if I for go doing a saying up for the pre order what are my chances of getting a, like a week or two afterwards or Bryan do you think it's just better to wait till 2018 for the next Set of iPhones given all the new rumors leaking out for two sizes of OLED panels and so forth. Anyway, looking forward to your answer, keep it going guys, love the show, peace. I think it depends on what phone you have right now, if it's worth upgrading for you or not. If you have an iPhone 7S and you're not really excited about the 10. Sorry why did I say 7S? You know what I mean, an iPhone7. I don't think you need to upgrade right now. I think you can hold out because, it's a nice upgrade, but you know I'm gonna get the 10, I'm not gonna lie to you all. But I feel like it's a 9.5 instead of a 10, I do, I feel like it's the iPhone 9.5. Because I couldn't get that under-the-glass fingerprint sensor, and that's okay that they couldn't. But I feel like this is more like an iPhone 9.5. So if you have a 6 or 6S, and you're looking to really make a big jump, then do it. But if you're on a 7 and you're kind of like, eh? I think most people Are excited about the ten and then they realize I'm probably gonna spend $1400 for this thing and then they realize it's, I don't know. It's hard. And then you're going to get another phone next year. I think it's hard. It's just like what people have said. Imagine if the ten didn't come out and all Apple had to offer was the iPhone eight and eight plus? Literally, Apple would have been hammered by Press Media. It was, it's because an iPhone 7 with a glass backing, and a little bump. It's kind of bad. But they did it, they knew that was happening, so that's why they got the X out. Yeah, so I think he might end up having to wait till early 2018 anyways. Based on the story we talked about earlier, where You know they're not going to be available right away. Unless you get in real fast on the preorder on the internet. True. True. Good luck on that one man. Ok here we go next call. Hey [UNKNOWN] this is Brian from Boston. I just wanted to ask about equipping devices with lanyards. Like when my iPod Nano broke, I got a refurbished, from the Apple store, an iPod Touch 5th generation, because it has the Lanyard, and I guess they don't make the new ones with that, but, then I realized the old, the remotes for the apple tvs, you can actually, like, put in a lanyard in the lightning ports, so it works kind of like how the WII remotes work. And, I was just wondering, I wonder if they could, like, put a lanyard like that in the lightning port for other devices, like, if you're running with your Iphone and stuff, would make it more secure. I just thought that would be an easy thing they could do. All right, thanks, bye. That scares me. [LAUGH] Like running with a lanyard in your lightning port of your phone, hanging off your neck. I will tell you that a company called Kenu, that made this really cool, kinda mini tripod stand, they have It, what they use to get inside of your phone is like a plastic kind of tip that goes inside the landing port. But what can happen is, as it wears at it over time, it actually can get stuck and broken in there, because it creates such a sturdy connection. Like I actually Had one that got stuck in there and I had to like extract it with like literally like a pin to like poke it and pull it out. And so to get a really true sturdy connection that lightning port what is out there it's just not you just can't do it. You're better off wearing an actual lanyard necklace with the iPhone in a pouch if you really want to run with it that way. Now if you're someone who wants to put it on your wrist, then get a case with a wrist strap, but I wouldn't trust a lightning lanyard port anything on any of my devices. Yeah that sounds dangerous. Has anyone else noticed that the lightning port, it gets loose. My cable kind of pulls out really easily now and gets jostled, and sometimes it'll be plugged in but it's not even charging because it's loose in there That seems to be happening to me a lot to. So I would imagine that would happen with one of those little lanyard things he's talking about, so. Man, if I had Photoshop, I could make a really funny gif of what you just did. [LAUGH] Well, I'm sure one of the fans might do that now. [LAUGH] [LAUGH] Yea, I'm looking at myself on the camera here, it's doing that. I'm like, yea. Alright. Hey be careful, be careful. You know who you're with. This is Beach and Chong baby. The internet is dangerous, man. Okay, next call here we go. Did I already play this dude? No. Hi, I was just wondering, what do you think about the How the carriers, they knew Apple Watch is not getting every carrier in the world. Like, in Australia, there's only two of the main ones, and then the rest are still coming. Thanks, bye. Hm. It's only a few carriers. So what it is it's really comes down to technology. I like how he just called in and he said his name it was like boom. Tommy answers the phone. It's like boom. That's how I'm going to start to answer the phone too. I'm just going to be like Steven Beacham. [LAUGHS] Wait for them to talk. [LAUGHS] So what the answer to question the eSIM technology is actually not compatible With all carriers. Obviously, it's not an actual chip that's built into the device. It takes up less space, but because of the less space, it's a different kind of chip. And so it doesn't support all the bands, it doesn't support every carrier out there. It's still new And so that's why you don't see it with the Apple watch. You don't see across the board carrier coverage. It's really more of the technology and not because they haven't struck deals with the carriers yet. I see. Okay. Cool. Alright, we got two more. Okay, what's up guys. Just wanted to give a shout out. Thanks for always putting these out, but just wanted to know what is being thought about iOS 11 so far. I think it's pretty great I am noticing that every time, just a little bit, every time we push out a software update it gets a little more buggy. I mean it used to be, you can always expect bugs when iOS comes out every year, but it's getting a little more and I'm not going to say Steve Jobs is rolling over but It comes to the point where it's, you are noticing a little bit of attention to detail drop, but not much. I still love IOS 11. See you guys, bye. I think he has a great point. See, that's a legit balance, like, look at things. That's the type of stuff that we appreciate. It's, it is more buggy than we've seen before and it's, it's not horrible. I think the biggest issue, really, like we talked about, is the battery life that's affecting a lot of people. Not just like 10% or 20%. I feel like it's affecting like 50% of users, if not more. But, to his point, yes, iOS 11 in general is buggier. Like literally, when I'm in the mail app My Wi-Fi and battery and time disappear, like what is that all about? That's never happened ever before. And there's been some weird alignment issues, even with your notifications and all this stuff. I dont know what's going on there, and the quality control in general, its a combination of them doing too many things, but It is dropped off. There's no bones about it. It's dropped off. It's gotta be hard to do man. There's so much stiff in iOS now. It just keeps getting bigger. It's like universe just expanding and expanding and expanding. Yeah. And they have to somehow refine that and then make it different and then improve it and then put in new hardware. It just seems like a really daunting task. So I'm surprised it even works 90% of the time. [LAUGH] It better. It's incredible. Clair had profiled in on our periscope he'd talked about how his screen would sometimes just go black. With iOS 11, and he's updated it, player profiling also earlier while we were taking calls says, omg who screens these phone calls? [LAUGH] We both do as a team [LAUGH]. Alright. We got one left. And it's a shorty kinda, here we go. Shorty! What's going on fellas, Tyler McCart. Hey guys, wanted to touch base with you guys out here in the beautiful Atlanta, Georgia. Hotlanta. Hey my questions is in regards to the Apple watch, I'm getting ready to receive my new Apple watch series 3 with LTE and I've seen where you guys have talked about leaving the AirPods all though I know that do I I'll wait and get the air pods later on whenever they upgrade to the you know charging wireless charging. While it's charging, same day display of the key notes. I've already got the power beats three. And I know they should sync with my Apple Watch. Just want to hear your feedback on it. I appreciate the show guys, enjoy y'all have a good one. Freedom Feel like he answered [CROSSTALK] Freedom. Question man. Is that what he said at the end? Freedom? Yeah. If he does the Power Beats Three, he already has a more than capable headset that syncs over to the Apple Watch, that uses the W1 chip, that is super fast and responsive. If you have money to burn, yeah, go ahead and get them now. But, I would just wait it out. You already have great headphones that work just fine. Yeah. But, if you, look, there is an appeal, like you said [UNKNOWN] you kinda got sucked into the whole thing. Like, damn. I kinda want Apple airpods.>> I do. I know they look really dorky. But I kinda want them, right? I totally do. Or you could be like that one dude that was in line for five hours for the NES Classic, and now he's ready to get in line for the iPhone X. Just go spend money, baby. [LAUGH] Dude, do it. Just do it, baby. So, I think you're fine where you're at, but I have the I do have the Power Beats 3, the ones that go over my ears for working out at the gym. But the Airpods actually sound better than them, so I'm gonna be [UNKNOWN] with you. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of those, that hook over your ear, like they just get uncomfortable. Well, fine, I am, fin, fine, because I am. I am. [LAUGH] They're uncomfortable for me, I don't know. I don't dig them. [BLANK_AUDIO] I want the AirPods. All right, That's it Brian, we're done man. All right bro, remember everybody you guys and gals can call us at 1-800, didn't we, I thought we had a young lady that called in. We did, I thought, didn't we play that? I thought we did. Was it Jennifer? Something like that, yeah. My gosh. You know what, there were a few and they're asking which phone to get. Jennifer, call us back next week. And everyone else that didn't call, call us at 1800-616-2638, that is the way to be a part of this show You guys and gals, keep it hot for us. You contribute, we really appreciate it. Other than that [UNKNOWN], I think that's a wrap for this week. Right on man, have a good weekend. All right, you too. Thanks everybody. Take care. Be safe. Peace. [MUSIC] [MUSIC]